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Dsquare



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HUI and gold (charts from yesterday). Preferred count for the HUI, in or finished wave iii, this morning's high touched the upper line (these lines are tentative just to emphasize the count). Gold, I think this is making a blow-off diamond diametric. So two waves for each to go once the current wave is done (iv and v, iv needs to overlap with ii) and f and g.




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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Shuk, thanks for the question. Wave e's of triangles don't normally break above the b-d line before the wave completed its formation. To have E begin in 2006, it would do just that. Also usually waves begin with a sudden move down (or up) that is faster and further than any counter-trend subwave in the previous wave and the wave down in 2006 wasn't that severe. So I would not have wave E begin in 2006. Elliot wave only really works on major indexes that are widely followed, and I wouldn't use the juniors to decide where we are in terms of wave count. In a way they can tend to confirm or increase the chances of the count being right in how they act, for instance the last wave of D which finished the large neutral triangle was confirmed in a way because of lack of breadth (juniors weren't participating and some other broader gold stock indexes were looking sick).


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there a chance that E wave on the HUI started in 2006, and ended late last year? The junior PM stocks seem to suggest that - they hit their high early in 2006 and retraced almost their entire advance from 2000, late last year. So what we are seeing here is the start of the bull phase (first phase).

The HUI seems to be taking a leadership role just like it did from 2001-2004 where it went from 35 to 250+ (and where the junior PMs really didnt start their run until 2004).

I see the stats that say there are 97% bulls - its just that I dont see it - everybody seems to be cautious. The juniors also dont imply any froth whatsoever - they are trading at prices when gold was sub $400. There is a major disconnect somewhere - one of them is terribly wrong.

Anyways, I am interested in your thoughts about this.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One number to respect is HUI 467. The HUI closed just above this number in Nov. If Dec. trades above this level and holds it on a monthly closing basis, think twice about shorting other than for ST trades. HUI holding above 467 is blue sky IMO.

That doesn't mean I am trading the sector long here, just that it is a very important level. It would lead to a new HUI range of 467 - 611.


John, If we get a new range of 467-611, I'm taking a vacation from this thread.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Derek, i sold what i bought today at the close for nothing....we should be going down but this high level consolidation today and the marginal close over the 5 year resistance trendline on the HUI made me want to reduce risk.


I agree on the reduce risk idea. I got out of my 1/2 position with a very minor loss, but lowered my stop on the other half which may have been a mistake. I'm playing the first count and will raise my stop if I can, such that if the second count (still in wave iii) is in play I'll reduce my loss.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject: global warming’s dangerous parallels to eugenics Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UP!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In fact I gave up on doing much of anything at all.


Maybe you're on to something there John Smile.Still, it's a new day tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:37 pm    Post subject: re: HUI Reply with quote

hi guys,

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Difficult market.


No kidding! I gave up shorting weeks ago. In fact I gave up on doing much of anything at all. Laughing

One number to respect is HUI 467. The HUI closed just above this number in Nov. If Dec. trades above this level and holds it on a monthly closing basis, think twice about shorting other than for ST trades. HUI holding above 467 is blue sky IMO.

That doesn't mean I am trading the sector long here, just that it is a very important level. It would lead to a new HUI range of 467 - 611.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derek, i sold what i bought today at the close for nothing.SPX chart is a mess, GLD has a doji over a gap to close the day(with all the right divergences), we should be going down but this high level consolidation today and the marginal close over the 5 year resistance trendline on the HUI made me want to reduce risk.Difficult market.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Navy, one of these two counts (2 charts) are in play I think. Still 1/2 short. One thing in favor of the first count is that today's move is 1.618x friday's diametric (so could have a neutral triangle for v).




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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Cost averaged here (HGD) at 3.60.Risky trade as the shares are leading; the stop is obvious and tight.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had not, but the 1,618 extension of c was around these levels we've been the last couple of days.Eyeballing the 2,618 extension, it's around $1260-65.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Navy, for gold's expanding triangle, did you calculate how high wave e can go based on wave c? Could make a diametric here I think (d, a triangle?) or perhaps a triangle (in e?).
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